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Are we Arab ??
« on: July 13, 2011, 01:01:56 AM »
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In many Arab forums i found many threads that claim that Baloch are Arab !!
There are even books written by Arab and Baloch in Gulf that say that Baloch are of arabic origin !!

However I find that our language is totally diffrent from Arabic !! As Well as our Names and names of our tribes !!

If we look at our traditions , they are also different !!

So , are we Arab ??
What is the origin of Baloch ??


I wanted to know the opinions of Baloch from Balochistan about this matter !!

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Re: Are we Arab ??
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2011, 12:37:33 AM »
Not even one reply ?? Where are the experts ??

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Re: Are we Arab ??
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 02:16:58 AM »
dear brother barekaheer.
salaam o pollen droot .
we have relaitionship with gulf's arab' only, but we are not arab's, and it is a shaime for us to say that we are arabs ,if we say that it's means we are not baluch's, if we are not baluch's we dont have to own baluchistan.
i think you undrestand may answer.
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Re: Are we Arab ??
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2011, 10:48:14 AM »
dear brother barekaheer.
salaam o pollen droot .
we have relaitionship with gulf's arab' only, but we are not arab's, and it is a shaime for us to say that we are arabs ,if we say that it's means we are not baluch's, if we are not baluch's we dont have to own baluchistan.
i think you undrestand may answer.
thanks.

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Wajahen Brat Adabi Hakim

Yes i understand what you meant, infact im personally against this idea , but there are books that have been written regarding this matter and i dont think ignoring those books is a wise decision because there are many Baloch here in gulf believe what is written in them !!

Therefore an unbiased study regarding the origin of Baloch is needed !!

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Re: Are we Arab ??
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2011, 08:29:25 AM »
salam sanagth barekaeer
tho sahee goshege ke arab mulkan baloch neshthagan zind gowazenagan agan kase ayaan arab gawashee bazag gal bayaan ke mara arab gowashgayan ao dernakana jawaab daega ke ao ma araben lathe goshee ma syria che aathkagen wagera wagera. bale ancho ke sanagth abid hakim jawaab datha ke he sharam he gape ke maa baloch he maraa watha mulke he asth ke naam balouchistan hen anag be aehsaas kamthree shikaren ho watha arab goshen. waja gowashg wa nalootee bale mara che Muhajir behtharan ke na mulke he asthen na zameen he asthen zubaan be waameeyen zubaan he bale anga hum watha muhajir goshan arab ao ya sindhi nagoshaan ma baloch wathee tareeka nacharen wathee dod ho rbaedaga nacharan yak hanchen behthren zubaan ao washen shaden zuban he mara asthen bale maa anagth aessas kamthree he shikarren maara kase goshee shoma baloch arab he maa gala panch poot baal bahen bajahe ke bogoshen ke cha koja ma araben mae zuban alag mae dod ho rabedag alag mara watha mulke asthen ma cha kuja araben,,, manee habar kame sakthan bale he haqeekathen ke gulf he thoka mae chand be taaleemen jahil baloch asthan ke balochi habar kanga mayaareeg bayan wathee chukaan balochi habar kanga manaa kna araba nee culture adopt he kutha... sangath barekaeer ma baloch hen tareeka chisth kan bechar alexender ha baloch ha nee barowa leketha british impir taareek daana baloch nee barowa leketha ... we should feel proud that we are baloch
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Re: Are we Arab ??
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2011, 10:40:35 AM »
salaam braat !!

haNcho keh vaajah adabi Hakeem a gwasht ! man tipaak kanaaN !! Baloch Arab na ant !! haaN, bott kaNt keh gooN gulf e yaa shaam e a'rab aaN saaNg baNdii bottag ! bale maa raa vat yak jitaayeN pajjaar-ey hast !! Balochi pajjaar-ey !

mudaam salaamat baat et !!

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2011, 11:54:16 PM »
salam sanagth barekaeer
tho sahee goshege ke arab mulkan baloch neshthagan zind gowazenagan agan kase ayaan arab gawashee bazag gal bayaan ke mara arab gowashgayan ao dernakana jawaab daega ke ao ma araben lathe goshee ma syria che aathkagen wagera wagera. bale ancho ke sanagth abid hakim jawaab datha ke he sharam he gape ke maa baloch he maraa watha mulke he asth ke naam balouchistan hen anag be aehsaas kamthree shikaren ho watha arab goshen. waja gowashg wa nalootee bale mara che Muhajir behtharan ke na mulke he asthen na zameen he asthen zubaan be waameeyen zubaan he bale anga hum watha muhajir goshan arab ao ya sindhi nagoshaan ma baloch wathee tareeka nacharen wathee dod ho rbaedaga nacharan yak hanchen behthren zubaan ao washen shaden zuban he mara asthen bale maa anagth aessas kamthree he shikarren maara kase goshee shoma baloch arab he maa gala panch poot baal bahen bajahe ke bogoshen ke cha koja ma araben mae zuban alag mae dod ho rabedag alag mara watha mulke asthen ma cha kuja araben,,, manee habar kame sakthan bale he haqeekathen ke gulf he thoka mae chand be taaleemen jahil baloch asthan ke balochi habar kanga mayaareeg bayan wathee chukaan balochi habar kanga manaa kna araba nee culture adopt he kutha... sangath barekaeer ma baloch hen tareeka chisth kan bechar alexender ha baloch ha nee barowa leketha british impir taareek daana baloch nee barowa leketha ... we should feel proud that we are baloch

Wajahen Brat , toh mani dile habar kot !! man wat e gappa tepak nakana ke ma arabe baley afsos hameshe ke ma wati chagerda eda chare o bazen mardom hast ke e gappa che galla bala ke kasia wati ketabe taha goshta ke Baloch arab ant !! Ma ke wahde e gappe sara etraz kana goda mani sara zahar gera o mana jahel gosha !!

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Re: Are we Arab ??
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2011, 12:45:19 AM »
snagath barekaeer
man wath gulf molkan zind gowazenagayan ao man he waren baloch baaz deetha ke watha baloch goshga bazag sharmaahena wathee chukaan balochi habar kanaga nahelan pa zor he wathee chukan parmayan ke arabi bekane haqeeqath lote mana aeshanee sara zahar nahe balke mana aeshanee sara rahim kaeth.. sanagth he zehnee mareezaan aeshanee attitude sara mayoos mabe noken nasal baloch sak juhad kangayan pa wathee zuban he zindag kanga wathee dod ho rabedag zindag kanga.. ha roch deer nahen ke hame baloch ke watha arab goshga gal bayan watha baloch goshga pakar mehsoos kana
 
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Re: Are we Arab ??
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2011, 02:40:59 AM »
My dear brother barekaheer , you are absolutely right in what you say because I also read the same books, many of this books says baluch origin of the Arabs some books says the baloch are from halab of Syria, and some says from Yemen and Sultanate of Oman, in the absence of our historical books any one can write what they wants ,in one book says some tribes, such as hout and Rend migrated from Yemen and sultanate of oman, and they settled in baluchistan at the time of colonization of the State of (portogal) on the sultanate of oman and there controlling of the entrance to the Sea in between of baluch and Arabs.
But today is difficult  to say that this tribes are Arabs and like what I said earlier, baluch  have only relationships with the Arabs.
Any way we are proud to be baluchs and also we are proud to have relationships with Arabs specially the Arabs of Oman and emarat and Bahrain.
May heart and brain well never accept to hear baluch are from Arabs because up to today never a single Arab cried with us for any of baluchs problems.
Wish you a very good night.

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Re: Are we Arab ??
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2011, 01:53:29 AM »
ARABS ARE DIFFERENT AND BALOCHS ARE DIFFERENT ...OUR LANGUAGE ,OUR DRESSES OUR CULTURE EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT SO HOW WE ARE ARABS???? WE ARE NOT ARABS WE ARE BALOCH...
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2011, 11:35:15 AM »
The problem is that in Arab world there are people who have given themselves the liberty to write about Baloch history without any coordination with any Baloch from Balochistan !!

Why They are doing that ??

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Re: Are we Arab ??
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2011, 02:58:14 AM »
Salam wajahan o banokan,


Dear Barekaheer,


I have read all of these books, and believe me. They are not more than guessing based on some misunderstanding or interpreting of historical documents.
There are many theories about "Baloch or Baluch" origin between being Arian "Kurds," or from central Asia, or Caspian sea inhabitants.
 However, due to the Islamic rule influence, to be an Arab would be more beneficial to you at that time, which explains our myths of fighting against Yazeed or migrating.

 Aside from foreigners theories or mistaken brothers, nowadays no matter what is their ethnic composition, they "the Baloch" constitute a nation that has all the nationhood elements. It is clear enough to notice that we have been a victim of " Persinaization, Arabaization, etc." The topic is long, and deserve to be highlighted in a book which I am working on, and hopefully published later.

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2011, 03:13:03 AM »
Salam wajahan o banokan,


Dear Barekaheer,


I have read all of these books, and believe me. They are not more than guessing based on some misunderstanding or interpreting of historical documents.
There are many theories about "Baloch or Baluch" origin between being Arian "Kurds," or from central Asia, or Caspian sea inhabitants.
 However, due to the Islamic rule influence, to be an Arab would be more beneficial to you at that time, which explains our myths of fighting against Yazeed or migrating.

 Aside from foreigners theories or mistaken brothers, nowadays no matter what is their ethnic composition, they "the Baloch" constitute a nation that has all the nationhood elements. It is clear enough to notice that we have been a victim of " Persinaization, Arabaization, etc." The topic is long, and deserve to be highlighted in a book which I am working on, and hopefully published later.
Yes brother that what i wanted to say . many people claim that we are Arab . but except for Islam we dont share anything else with Arab !

Yes plz write a book about it and plz back it up with strong evidence because its very necessary !! there are Baloch who refuse any ideas that are against the idea that Baloch are of Arabic origin !!
I will be waiting for your book !!

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2011, 06:01:53 PM »
The actual thing is that Baloch are From Yemen , where they claims that Balochs are Arab and we are much Diiferent from Arabs our culture , language ,history and tradition!
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2011, 05:26:56 PM »
The actual thing is that Baloch are From Yemen , where they claims that Balochs are Arab and we are much Diiferent from Arabs our culture , language ,history and tradition!
But its still not determined that Baloch are from Yemen !! Some say they are from Allipo Syria < and others say Baloch are from Caspian sea !!

Is it fair to say that we are from Yemen ?